Hints in the PoA Movie?

[author_by_night]

JKR has said that the PoA movie had at least five hints, or something like that.

So - cutting for spoilers, as this is a public entry:

I just can't figure out what they were, and I just saw PoA (again) in June, save this possibiity: Snape did shield the trio from Gollumwolf Werewolf!Remus. This does clearly imply that Snape doesn't want them dead, despite all first impressions.

Has anyone else spotted any other clues?

Comments

[knightmare-shad.livejournal.com]

Gollum wolf! *snicker* Um, I'll watch it tonight and look. It kind of makes me want to see it again :D

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the Werewolf just made me think of a tall, Wolfish Gollum. (Though that's the Gollum of the LOTR movies. Not that I read all of the LOTR books, and yes, I realize that makes me evil.)

[psychic-serpent.livejournal.com]

Well, what I don't understand is--hints of WHAT exactly? Sirius dying? Check--the dementor trying to suck the soul out of him seemed like foreshadowing. The evilness of separating a soul from its body? Okay. Good!Snape? Sure, but I think we saw that in CoS, too. And it wasn't just Snape protecting the kids from the werewolf--it was also Snape being so incensed about Sirius causing Lily's death (he thought) that he went to the Shrieking Shack to face a homocidal maniac. Hints of Dumbledore's backstory? I think that's dribbled throughout the books but I can't recall anything in the film of PoA. And whatever the five hints were (again--hints of WHAT?), is she saying that these things were ADDED to the film and weren't in the book?

That's got to be the most confusing interview statement of hers that I've ever heard.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Snape being so incensed about Sirius causing Lily's death...

Oh, I never even thought of that. But that's canon... still, a hint, I suppose. It DOES give another layer to Snape hating Sirius that much in PoA. I think I still need to wrap my mind around Snape having loved Lily, though.

is she saying these things were ADDED to the film?

That's the impression I got, that they were little things that weren't really canon, so they were also unintentional hints. There's probably canon hints as well. :)

[ellid.livejournal.com]

Here from the Snitch...I didn't see a blessed thing, unless it's Hermione grabbing Ron's hand at one point, which is hardly a spoiler.

And to be quite honest, I think JKR is talking out of her ass 90% of the time in her interviews. She contradicts herself, backpedals, and talked about how important to the plot stuff was that turned out not to happen at all. I've stopped listening because there is nothing worth listening to.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

I must admit that sometimes I wonder what she just makes up, but I don't see why she'd make that statement up. I do think, however, as much as I like Jo, there are cases wherein she should just answer "I haven't really thought that much about it, honestly," rather than answer one thing in one interview and then contradict it later. (Though as any writer knows, an entire backstory can change within five minutes, so I also cut her slack there.)

[alkari.livejournal.com]

Hear, hear! After some of Jo's interviews, I am left with the impression that despite what she says about having books and books of stuff worked out, which she can never use, she simply hasn't bothered to much with the basics. I mean, the Weasley boys' ages and age gaps surely should have been written out from the very first, and she should know them without having to think about them. Sometimes she seems to have all the detailed room decoration worked out, but the key supports for the building itself are failing.

[twelve5.livejournal.com]

The only thing that struck me was when all the Gryffindors were sleeping in the Great Hall, Snape is talking to Dumbledore and suspects Lupin as the inside man who's letting in Sirius and says something along the lines of... "Sneaking into Hogwarts... completely undetected?" I figured that alluded to when Draco does it in HBP.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Maybe... interesting.

[talimeeka.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think I've got this one. I think Jo was referring to Remus's super-weird quote form his scene with Harry on the bridge.

Quoted in full from IMDB:

"You know the very first time I saw you, Harry, I recognized you immediately. Not by your scar, by your eyes. They're your mother, Lily's. Yes, oh yes. I knew her. Your mother was there for me at a time when no one else was. Not only was she a singularly gifted witch, she was also an uncommonly kind woman. She had a way of seeing the beauty in others even more perhaps. Most especially when that person couldn't see it in themselves. Then your father, James on the other hand, he uh ha, he had a certain shall we say talent for trouble. The talent, rumor has it, he passed onto you. You are more like them than you know, Harry. In time you'll come to see just how much. "

I figured that when Jo saw this part, it sort of creeped her out because they had completely nailed Lily, except in relation to Snape, not Lupin. It even mentions Lily's eyes, and how when Lupin looks at Harry's eyes, he sees Lily. If I knew what was coming for Lily and saw that happen on the screen without the writers knowing about it, it would have creeped me out too.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's true, that the Remus quote in sme ways applied to Snape. Lily WAS there for Snape when they were kids.

[sixth-light.livejournal.com]

That makes sense, sort of, except for the fact that in the movie that scene totally came over as implying that Remus had some sort of unrequited crush on Lily, which....not the case at _all_.

[norisis.livejournal.com]

But I think talimeeka's point is that Alfonso Cuaron/Steve Kloves had basically nailed a fundamental point of Lily's nature - "She had a way of seeing the beauty in others"??

The last time I watched the film was in the theatre in 2004 (saving catching about the last 5 minutes on TV recently!). Knowing what I know now from DH (and knowing that the scriptwriter probably didn't, at the point of writing the PoA script), I shivered a little as I read the quote that talimeeka posted.

[qwyneth.livejournal.com]

That's what I thought she was referring to in that interview, and that's what I still think she was referring to. The eyes, yes, the language is almost perfect considering the last book. But "She had a way of seeing the beauty in others even more perhaps. Most especially when that person couldn't see it in themselves," is the bit that really hits me. Cuaron nailed Lily, and I believe we'd known nothing of the sort about her previously.

[norisis.livejournal.com]

Oops, I seemed to have more or less said the exact same thing in my own comment - except you're a lot more eloquent about it. But I just want to nod my head in vigorous agreement of what you've said. :P

[clouded-logic.livejournal.com]

I noticed that too - I figured that was the bit she was referring to because I couldn't spot anything else particularly striking.

[lampblack.livejournal.com]

Perhaps Harry performing a humiliating depantsing upon a classmate, backed up by his laughing gang... just as James did to Snape?

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Hm, could be, but OoTP had already been written and published before PoA was out. But that is still interesting, because James DOES do something similar - to a known nemesis, no less.

[psyfic.livejournal.com]

I think what Rowling was referring to is most probably the moment Sirius releases the silvery-blue wisps of himself as he's "dying" near the end. It is a slightly lesser cinematic version of what will happen to our dear Severus.

The reason I think this is because she was speaking of something visual, more so than something more subtle or esoteric. I don't have the specific interview link to hand, but she said something like "When I saw it, I was stunned. I thought, when people read the final book they are going to think I asked them to put that in there."

That also indicated to me that she had planned Snape's death long ago.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

...

That is really interesting. Because you're right, both do sort of release silver whisps. And in a way... one is the soul, the other a memory, which I bet JKR would say go together. (Though that's a whole other topic on it's own.)

[shocolate.livejournal.com]

Oh - I didn't think it was that deep.

I thought it was Hermione saying 'That's Madam Rosmerta - Ron fancies her'

[nimbus1944.livejournal.com]

The exact quote (in Creating the Vision at 6:47):
"Alfonso had very good intuition about what would and wouldn't work. He put things in the film that, without knowing it, foreshadow things that are going to happen in the final two books. So I really got goosebumps when I saw a couple of those things, and I said people are going to look back on the film and think those were put in deliberately as clues."

I notice Stan Shunpike shows zero concern for the Muggles in Ernie's erratic path. The shrunken head, a Cuaron invention, has to mind the Muggles.

[muggle-prof.livejournal.com]

She said hints, and somehow the idea that Lily was the type of person who sees good in others doesn't seem like a hint; it sort of seemed like it would go without sayng actually, given the symbolism of her name and all.

The Snape protecting the kids scene is the part I figured she was talking about. Also, in the Shrieking Shack, Sirius makes some [totally non-canon] crack to Severus like: "go back to playing with your chemistry set" which is a clue he's not a pureblood wizard, who likely wouldn't have a chemistry set as sciences like chemistry are a Muggle thing.