The (*fandom*) Roleplaying Poll (forgive me if the cut screwed up again)

[author_by_night]

[Poll #848590]

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[gryffinclaw.livejournal.com]

I am in the Harry Potter fandom, and yet I find myself heavily involved in a Superman RPG and loving every moment of it. The RPG is getting me more into the fandom.

I think since we are a small RPG with a limited number of players we really do not have RP drama.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Yeah, understandable. :) I didn't even know Superman had a fandom!

[angiepen.livejournal.com]

[Here from metafandom. [wave]]

On which fandoms, RPS roleplay is huge. The Establishment and Citadel over on JF are the biggest fanfic RPGs I've ever seen, and they're all RPS-based, with some original characters in supporting roles here and there. Palace (now sadly defunct) here on LJ was RPS-based with a sort of SFish setting. And there are a number of other RPS games I know of, and probably a bunch I don't. It definitely deserved to have a slot on your list; hopefully most people who play RPS games will write in rather than wandering away. [crossed fingers]

About standards, it's incredibly difficult to hold the same writing standards in RPGs as one might have in solo fiction. Heck, if anything it's going the other way -- In the last year or so I've seen more and more people "scene" their stand-alone fiction with one or maybe two writing partners, as though it were a tiny little RPG, with the resulting ping-ponging point of view and inconsistent mechanics and continuity glitches, all the problems that are pretty much just part of the territory in scened RPG writing. The lower standards of RPGs are creeping into stand-alone fics, rather than the other way around. This makes me sad. :(

I do my best to make my solo stories clean in terms of mechanics and craftsmanship. And when I'm scening in an RPG I'll most often volunteer to do the first edit when we're done scening or tagging, and I'll offer to do mechanical edits on my partner's chunks of the story. Usually they accept, which is great -- I hate posting badly written stuff with my name on it, and if I do I prefer that it be my own mistake and not someone else's mistake that I saw but couldn't fix. :/ But the bottom line is that your partner's stuff is your partner's stuff and you can't edit it unless she/he gives permission, so.... That's one of the downsides of RPGs in my view.

I have no idea what you meant by this -- Do you ever, or have you ever, use(d) fanfiction characters in a roleplay? Clue, please? If you're roleplaying based on something fanficcish, then all the characters are by definition fanfiction characters, now? I think I'm missing something here.

On the manners things, I have a few caveats. I definitely don't think that original characters are inherently bad, unless the game rules say they are. And seriously, if I need someone to be the waitress at the local coffee shop or the stable manager or a character's college professor, and I have no intention of that character ever starring in a major plotline, I don't want to waste a canon character in that slot and I get annoyed at other people when they do so. But if a game specifically states in the rules that There Shall Be No OCs, then of course bringing one in would be rude.

If the only problem with an OC is that no one else has one, then IMO that's not a problem. Unless there's some specific reason why this OC is problematic, something besides, "But no one ellllllse has one!!!" like a little kid whining because his friend has a piece of candy, I'm not going to worry about it. Especially since, unlike the candy, OCs are infinitely creatable and if Little Janie wants to have one too then she can just stop whining and write one. :P And if she doesn't want one then what's the problem?

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[angiepen.livejournal.com]

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About plot domination, I've never played in a game where there was one Grand Glorious Main Plot(tm) that governed the whole game. And from what I've heard about what such games are like to play in if you're not lucky enough to have gotten in early and nabbed one of the Main Characters, I don't particularly want to try one. All the games I've ever played in were organized such that the mod(s) set up the environment but it was up to the players to create the plot lines. If you wanted your character to be the main character of a plotline, that's cool -- write it. If it looks like fun, other people might ask to join. Or you might ask other people if they'd like to have their characters help yours out, or act as antagonists, or whatever. If you see someone else doing something fun you can ask to join, hopefully with some specific suggestions of what your character could do to help make their plotline more fun, but a polite refusal is never rude. It's up to each player to be responsible for her own fun; the benefit to this is that each player can be responsible for her own fun, without finding herself stuck in some boring spear-carrier role because you're playing Neville or Lavendar in a HP game and the plotline is set to have only The Trio and a couple of other characters doing anything interesting.

Now, once you're in a plot and your character is playing a certain role, then there is behavior which is more or less appropriate. I've been involved with a wedding scene where this one player had her characters constantly speaking, whispering, fidgetting, looking around, etc., through the whole darned ceremony, when her guys were just in the audience. The scene wasn't about them -- they were there as wallpaper, essentially -- but if you go through the scene and count words her characters had more verbage in the scene than some of the wedding party. [eyeroll] It was distracting and annoying and I considered it rude, but I wouldn't call it "outrageous." I guess it depends what you meant by that. I think that appropriate behavior applies in RPGs as much as it does in real life, though, and that if someone wants to be disruptive they should ask the people they're scening with beforehand, as with any other plot twist or whatever.

Unless someone is being incredibly rude, I think complaining about an OC just because it's an OC is rude. And if the writer is being incredibly rude then the problem is that writer, not the fact that the character they're doing it with is an OC. But then, I don't see the problem with OCs and I know a lot of people get twitchy around them. [shrug]

I loathe warnings in general and that extends to RPGs. Unless by "inappropriate" you mean something like two writers doing and posting a scene where, for example, space aliens land in a Harry Potter game, in which case I don't think a warning will do it -- that sort of development needs to be run past the mods for approval beforehand and posting something like that out of the blue would certainly qualify as "rude" in my book.

About saying bad things about another player.... [sigh] Usually I'd agree that this is rude, but sometimes another player is just SO incredibly outrageous, and has messed over SO many other people -- people who don't know each other and aren't just members of one clique trying to make trouble for someone by bad-mouthing her, but strangers who all agreed independently that this person is just outrageously rude -- and has done it over and over and over and the mods haven't kicked her butt out for whatever reason.... At that point it becomes a public service to warn newbies about her. And I don't mean, "Oh, Jane is such a bitch, don't write with her!!" but calmly presented specifics about what she's done in the past, so the person being informed can decide whether or not they object to that behavior enough to want or not want to write with her. It sucks, yeah, but the alternative is worse. It has to be pretty bad, though, and for an extended period of time, and I won't do it if it's just me personally having a lack-of-chemistry problem with someone.

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[angiepen.livejournal.com]

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Something I consider incredibly rude which wasn't mentioned is discussing a scene with a writing partner and agreeing on how it's going to go, and then doing something completely different within the scene itself. And then compounding the rudeness is refusing to back up and redo it, especially with an assertion that "the character can't forget what happened" and therefore it has to stand, no matter how badly they messed over said writing partner. That's a lame excuse IMO and just compounds rudeness with insult.

Also rude is making an appointment for live scening and then flaking on it without a very good excuse. I mean, OK, real life happens and if someone's kid starts choking or something then that's an excellent reason for blowing off an appointment and I'll be sympathetic later when they get around to telling me about it. But I don't hang out in chat every night -- I'm only there when I have an appointment with someone, and when I'm there I'm either scening or chatting or just hanging out waiting for someone to show up. The third option is incredibly boring and a waste of my time and it annoys me when it's not for a VERY good reason. If someone never shows, or shows up an hour late, and just sort of shrugs and doesn't have a good reason and can't be bothered to apologize, that person goes on my "Don't Scene With" list.

Related to the above, someone who's in the middle of a live chat and just wanders off without letting their scening partner(s) know ahead of time. "My five-year-old started shrieking," is a good reason to lunge up from the computer and run. "I had to change my baby," or "The phone rang" are not, because neither of these is so dire or immediate that one can't type at least a "BRB--baby" or "BRB--phone" before leaving. Going suddenly silent for forty minutes or more and then coming back in and saying, "Oh, someone knocked at the door and we had to talk about X" just isn't acceptable IMO. Maybe it's because I'm a crotchety old broad, but that's how I feel.

Angie

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

And there are a number of other RPS games I know of, and probably a bunch I don't know of. It definitely deserved a place on your list; hopefully most people who play RPS games will write in rather than wander away.

Ah... well, see, I don't think I've ever even heard of RPS, unfortunately. I did do a little research on big RPG fandoms, but clearly not enough. So what is RPS?

I have no idea what you meant by this -- Do you ever, or have you ever, use(d) fanfiction characters in a roleplay?

*Headdesk* I have no idea why I didn't put "original fanfiction characters", but that's what I meant. As you said, all the characters are going to be fanfiction characters.

I definitely don't think that original characters are interently bad, unless the game rules say they are.


Not to choose sides, but I agree with that point, although I can see others. And I've had friends who write nothing but OCs complain about bad OCs in RPGs. I feel it's really not about the character's status - canon, one time mention in canon, OC - but the situation.

I don't see the problem with OCs having a large role in the plot, but I can see it turning into a problem if not written well. That hasn't happened to me, but like I said, I've had friends who have complained about OCs completely taking over.

About plot domination, I've never played in a game where there was one Grand Glorious Main Plot(tm) that governed the whole game. And from what I've heard about what such games are like to play in if you're not lucky enough to have gotten in early and nabbed one of the Main Characters, I don't particularly want to try one.

I think some groups truly want to be inclusive, but plotwise it doesn't work. And I think there's also the matter of character interest, which isn't necessarily their fault - if you want to be Hagrid in a group where the rest of the members think he's the Potterverse Jar Jar Binks, it's going to be hard. That said, I think a good group mod finds a way to work with it.

...at that point it becomes a public service to warn newbies about her.

"Badmouthing" is a tricky one, isn't it? I agree, that sometimes it's good to bring up the problem. I do feel it's usually best to do so with mods... however, sometimes people don't make it possible. I think if someone's upsetting others so much they need to vent, then... well, what are you going to do, tell them to shut up while they're in tears?

Also rude is making an appointment for live scening and then flaking on it without a very good reason.

Hm, I generally agree, and I always try and make appointments. But if a real life friend wants to get together, and we haven't in ages and it's the only night possible, I'm not going to say, "sorry, I can't, I have to roleplay." Plus, it's also your home situation, and sometimes, you don't need a five year old kid. I still live with my parents, and one time in the middle of a roleplay, my Mom walked in and decided we were going somewhere in ten minutes. I had two options: say no and offend her, or tell my friend I'd have to RP that night.

These things are technically rude, especially when something hasn't come up and the person just got bored, but sometimes there's no real choice. Same with disappearing suddenly - I've typed "BRB" before when people are waiting, and they've seen me and gotten upset.

[angiepen.livejournal.com]

So what is RPS?

Sorry, assumptions. :P RPS is Real Person Slash, where you're writing about the actors rather than the characters they play. Or some people write about musicians or sports figures or whomever.

I have no idea why I didn't put "original fanfiction characters", but that's what I meant.

Ahh, OK. No, I've never taken a character I wrote first in a solo story and brought him or her into an RPG. If I thought the character would fit into the RPG storyline I was writing then I'd probably do so, rather than making up a new OC just to be new, but it's never come up.

And I've had friends who write nothing but OCs complain about bad OCs in RPGs. I feel it's really not about the character's status - canon, one time mention in canon, OC - but the situation.

But that's the point, I think, that it doesn't matter if the character is major or minor or a one-shot or not in canon at all. What's important is how the writer writes him or her, and a bad writer is going to be a problem no matter what. A really good writer can create a well-developed OC and fit it smoothly into the story, whereas a bad writer can take a character for which there are six books or six TV seasons' worth of canon to refer to and completely mess up anyway. IMO when there's a problem in an RPG the fault is with the writer, not the character.

I think some groups truly want to be inclusive, but plotwise it doesn't work. And I think there's also the matter of character interest, which isn't necessarily their fault - if you want to be Hagrid in a group where the rest of the members think he's the Potterverse Jar Jar Binks, it's going to be hard. That said, I think a good group mod finds a way to work with it.

It sounds like we're talking two different things, here. If the problem is that the main plotline of the game simply doesn't have room for this or that character -- and really, you can only have so many major characters in a single storyline -- then that's a different problem from Jane wanting to play Hagrid and the mod being good with that but all the other players not wanting to write their characters interacting with Hagrid.

I do feel it's usually best to do so with mods... however, sometimes people don't make it possible.

If the mods know and the person causing so much havoc is still around, then yes, it becomes problematic. When someone has so thoroughly messed over a number of people, individuals who don't know each other, over a period of time and the mods haven't done anything, then it gets to the point where you just have to post some warning signs. It sucks pretty thoroughly, though, and I'll only do it if watching some clueless new player wander into the tiger trap sucks a lot more. :/ Ideally the mods would handle it but it's not an ideal world, unfortunately.

I still live with my parents, and one time in the middle of a roleplay, my Mom walked in and decided we were going somewhere in ten minutes. I had two options: say no and offend her, or tell my friend I'd have to RP that night.

See now, to me, that's covered in the "real life good excuses" section I mentioned above. If you're living under a parent's roof and have to keep them happy then a parental demand is IMO a good reason for leaving in the middle of an RP session. But you told your friend you were going and why, right? That's what makes all the difference.

I've RPed with people who did not tell me they were leaving the computer before they did it, who just took off and left me and our other writing partner hanging for forty minutes or an hour, wondering if she was typing, if she'd seen the last paragraph and knew it was her turn. Eventually, when she hasn't responded to several inquiries in the chat window, it became clear she was actually gone for whatever reason and we started worrying that something dire had happened, her baby'd gotten hurt or the stove had exploded or whatever. Then to have her wander back in all that time later and say, "Oh, the phone rang," or something, that's just incredibly rude.

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[angiepen.livejournal.com]

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Or people being half an hour or an hour or two hours late for a scening appointment and just drifting in with no excuse and no apology, when I've been sitting there waiting all that time -- rude. Real life happens to everyone -- I've had to leave or miss an appointment and I've always explained (ahead of time) and apologized. And a couple of times I've just forgotten or whatever and flaked and believe me, next time I saw the person I'd been supposed to meet with I gave an explanation and the apology was seriously grovelling because I'd blown it badly and knew it.

It's a matter of respect, though. If I'm taking time I could be using to do something else and spending it to roleplay with JaneFan, but she thinks it's OK to leave me waiting for no reason at all, or she thinks it's OK to get up in the middle and wander off without a word to get the phone or diaper the baby or have an hour's worth of conversation with someone who knocked on her door for a visit, without even saying "Hey, sorry, gotta go, back in an hour," that tells me I come pretty darned low on her Respect list. She thinks it's OK to leave me waiting for her all that time with no prior warning, that I don't even deserve a "BRB."

These things are technically rude, especially when something hasn't come up and the person just got bored, but sometimes there's no real choice.

Now, to me, that center bit doesn't belong in there. If someone's wandered off just because they got bored, then that's a lot more than "technically" rude and there definitely was a choice. Take that part out and I agree with the rest of it -- that leaving a scene in the middle is technically rude but sometimes you have no choice, and if you explain and apologize before you leave then I have no problem with it and won't think you were rude.

Same with disappearing suddenly - I've typed "BRB" before when people are waiting, and they've seen me and gotten upset.

With me, that'd depend. If we're due to start in two minutes and you typed "BRB" to let me know you're online and then came back five minutes later, that's cool. Technically it's a bit late but if you ran to grab a cup of coffee or whatever first then that's fine. Or if you typed "BRB" in the middle of a scene because you needed a couple of minutes to dash to the bathroom, then fine. If someone's going to be gone more than a few minutes, though, then some sort of indicator is nice; if we're going to be taking a break I'd like to know if I have time to get a drink, time to hit the bathroom, time to make myself some dinner, time to go watch some TV with my husband.... [wry smile] Your break is also my break and I want to know how much time I have so I know what I can do with it. If someone typed "BRB" with nothing else, I'd assume they were only going to be gone for a few minutes and I wouldn't get upset until a significantly longer time had passed.

A true emergency overrides this, of course, but true emergencies are extremely rare. More often in my experience when someone's significantly late for an appointment or vanishes without a word in the middle of one, it's just them being thoughtless, which makes it rude.

Angie

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying. :)

[story645.livejournal.com]

In terms of writing, I followed SPAG when I was rp'ing cause I basically had to. The HP rp had decent standards, and shiver had high ones. So *shrugs* there wasn't really an option of not doing SPAG. The HP rp was an OOC/IC one, and I was playing IC!Hermione, so I had to keep it canon, but all I really want from an rp that I'm reading is consistency. If it's a canon rp, stay ic, if it's not, stay within the rules you're playing with.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

I can also do Strict Canon and Not So Strict Canon.

What's SPAG?

[story645.livejournal.com]

Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar

[shalli.livejournal.com]

Standards can be a difficult thing to pin down. Different places, as you've said, seem to uphold different values. There are RPs in the HPverse, which is pretty much the only place I RP in, which are canon based, which I think can be a difficult one to work with, simply because of the constraints of canon, and the way that people interpret characters in different ways, even when all the evidence you need is there.

I actually run an RP (Sonora Academy (geocities.com/sonora_academy), check it out if you like. We're taking applications at the moment) that takes as a rule that none of the 'modern day' happenings of the Harry Potter books occured. Harry doesn't exist, Snape doesn't exist, Voldemort, none of them. I actually think this is a better way to do things, as it means that you can have a fresh set of people wandering around in a fictional universe, obeying the same sort of rules (magic, wands, international statues about secrecy etc) without having to worry about keeping everything canon.

While not all the people RPing at the site are accomplished and polished at writing, spelling and the like, we do have standards about length of posts, not writing for others, and trying to keep characters realistic. The writers with problems with their spelling and grammar tend to improve as time goes on (with encouragement and aid from others around them) and I'm really proud of how a much better a good many of them have managed to get. I think that RPing, at a site that promotes good spelling and grammar as standards to aspire to, helps aspiring writers hone their skills.

As for bad ettiquette, Mary Sue type characters are high on my list there along with writers who ignore the rules and things they are told by the site staff as well as staff who abuse their position. Talking badly about one RPer to another... happens. Sometimes its necessary, to discuss what to do if you've got a problematic person around. General b*tching isn't really looked highly upon though, and neither is writing things above the site rating (don't even get me started on the first year student who somehow 'stumbled' upon a copy of a wizarding Karma Sutra in the school library a while back).

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Yeah, standards are confusing, as is character interpretation.

Re: Spelling and grammar... is it ever hard to enforce? I can see some people objecting.

[shalli.livejournal.com]

It can be. At another site I frequent there was a bit of an altercation with one writer about this time last year. Her spelling was eye-wateringly bad. It was pointed out to her that to be accepted at the site she had needed to show she was capable of a certain level of spelling and grammar usage. When she ignored that it was pointed out that a spell check can help. There was a big fuss about not having a spell check on her computer, to which several online ones were suggested. It got to the point where she just ignored reminders and hints and things got a bit nasty, particularly when people started joining in on both sides.

It's sorted now. She's slowly improving, which is good to see happening.

The thing is, most of the people who don't have the greatest spelling or grammar, or keep up their post lengths quit pretty early on. Those who don't, well, it's a rule at the sites, and if people continually break rules there are consequences, like posts being deleted and if things ever got bad enough - which luckily they haven't yet - it is possible to ban IP addressed from posting on the sites.

[ahavah]

In all my RPGs, we *only* play original characters, to respect copyright laws. I also moderate most of them, so I'm in on creating plot twists. Personally, I like when they're sprung without warning, because then it's more challenging/rewarding to write a seamless scene. What's *not* cool is someone springing a plot twist that just won't work - like, they obviously haven't been following the established plot and are just trying to muck things up.

Also, I'm very guilty of talking about other RPGers behind their backs. I try not to be catty, but for me it's kind of important. As a mod, I try to work with the other mods to help folks who seem to have some glaring weaknesses in character or content. And sure, sometimes I just need to vent . I never do it onlist, though, and always play nice. :)

Oh, and most of mine would consider naughty scenes appropriate, so it's not a real issue for me. ;)

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

I don't think talking to mods about members is wrong. :)

[ahavah]

OK, I may not have been as clear as I could have. Sometimes that happens, but most often that was a diplomatic way of saying the dumbasses piss me off and I occassionally have to rail to others (usually other mods). :P

I'm so bad.

[featherxquill.livejournal.com]

Yes. Few to no original characters, grammar and spelling that shows at least mediocre intelligence, canon canon canon...

I would agree with writing rp posts and fic to the same standard, but that standard does not, for me, include 'no original characters'. No Mary-Sues, perhaps, but I don't think the two are synonymous.

I find, especially in RP, the definition of an OC is very unclear. I mean, I play Yaxley in one game. He is a canon name - a DE, but that's all we know about him. I have called him Gideon, and given him a wife, Stella (who I also play, and who is Rita's sister), but does that make him an original character, or not? His name is in canon, but his character certainly isn't.


As fr fanfic characters in RP, I;m not entirely sure what you mean. I write Rita in fanfic a lot, and I play her in two different games. But they're not really the same Rita. They've got different versions of the same family in both games. In my ff100 series, Rita has two sisters - Stella, who ran off to marry a muggle, and Alice, who became Alice Longbottom. In the Merlin's Legacy game, she just has Stella, who is as I mentioned married to a DE in that game, and doesn't have Alice because it was completely pointless - I also play Neville/Augusta - and because it would have had a large impact on her friendship with Narcissa Malfoy in the game. In The Leaky, I've kept Alice because I thought it would be an interesting thing to play with the Neville player, and done away with Stella as superfluous). They also have different attitudes/relationships in the different worlds. So while the characters I fic are often the same, the versions of them are quite different.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

I don't think OC = Mary Sue either, but some people do. *Shrugs* Not going to get into my own views on the matter here, though. ;) Your characters sound interesting, by the way!

When I said "fanfic", I meant original characters, and said fanfic instead. Gaaaah.

[cleverthylacine]

I actually find it kinda offensive that you'd equate the presence of OCs with bad grammar and spelling. Not everybody RPs storylines that take place in the canonical setting with only the canonical characters present, nor should they.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

This is an opinion poll. The opinions I believed some people might have are not necessarily my own. (In fact, I rather like Original Characters.)

Second, I don't think it's offensive. *Shrugs* People don't have to like OCs. As long as they're not nasty or cruel about it, I don't see the problem.

[cleverthylacine]

What I find offensive isn't that some people dislike OCs. Some people do dislike OCs and that's a fact.

What I find offensive is that on the list of "standards" you have lumped OCs in with bad grammar and spelling, as if using OCs were the equivalent of TyPing liek Dis and a sign of poor writerly standards. The two matters really ought to be separated, because one of them is a matter of fact and the other a matter of taste.

If you can't spell and punctuate, you can't write, period.

The number of OCs that should appear in a story, however, is a matter of taste. In stories that centre upon the time period, exact location and subject matter of canon, then the number of OCs acceptable is a matter of taste. In stories which are set in a different time, a different place, or just told from a different point of view, OCs are a necessity. Some people aren't interested in stories like that but many people prefer to RP in settings of this nature so that they're not yoked to someone else's ending for their RP.

By equating OCs with SPAG errors as a question of writing standards, you're kind of saying that any fic that's not about people the original creator spent a lot of time on is the equivalent of an unbetaed, ungrammatical, misspelling-laden sugar high piece of shit on FFN.net, and that's not true.

[melusinahp.livejournal.com]

Amy wasn't equating OC's with SpaG errors. Why would she do that? She writes many OC's herself.

She was lumping those things together to demonstrate an specific attitude held by some fandomers -- an attitude that she, herself, does not hold.

Sadly, there are my fandomers who do equate OC's with SpaG errors, probably because they spend too much time on FF.net. Amy is not one of those people.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

That's exactly what I was saying.

I'm actually very pro-OC myself. I have friends who write OCs, I have written OCs, and I have a whole satire fic on how I feel OCs are stigmatized.

The poll was just that - a poll. I wanted to include people who may or may not have disagreed, because I respect that point of view. Just as I expect people who ships ships I really don't think are remotely plausible to deal with my opinion.

And by the way, there's people who feel watching for even the most minor of spelling errors and Americanisms is snobby. Everyone has different views on these things.

[pinkpolarity.livejournal.com]

*here from Metafandom*

Apparently I'm ancient, for I'm astonished that "tabletop/face-to-face" isn't an option for "where you RP". I don't roleplay online, only face-to-face. Apparently different things go in online games, because playing an OC is not only acceptable, it's incredibly presumptuous in any tabletop game I've ever been involved in to ask to play a canon character. The "stars" of the fandom are GM characters and tend to make little more than a cameo appearance. Outrageous, scene-stealing characters that consistently shift the action away from the rest of the party, though, are bad etiquette in any RPG.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Hey, interesting - I'd never heard of tabletop style for a fandom, just for D&D. Thanks for sharing. :)