Beliefs question
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[Bad username or unknown identity: Got the idea from telepwen; if you feel comfortable answering, I have a question for you guys - out of sheer]
[Bad username or unknown identity: curiosity. What religion are you lot, if any? What do you believe? It doesn't even have to be something religious;]
[Bad username or unknown identity: it can be that you believe in angels, or it can be that you believe in fairies. I'm just curious.]
[Bad username or unknown identity: I'm a Christian, and I believe in guardian angels. I also believe in reincarnation, and the idea that we have spiritual]
[Bad username or unknown identity: connections with certain people.]
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Date: 2005-06-27 01:14 am (UTC)I believe in one G-d, though I don't think that excludes the possibility of lesser supernatural beings of all sorts--I'm not sure what I think of angels and demons and so on; my mind's open. I believe that G-d asks us to live moral lives. (Don't worry, if you're not Jewish, that totals seven commandments, including the rather simple one, "Don't eat flesh that you've torn from a living animal." When I say "moral lives," I don't mean following all 613 commandments; I mean your basic golden rule sort of thing. The sage Hillel, about 2100 years ago, was dared by a pagan to recite all of Torah while standing on one leg. If he could do that, the pagan said, he'd win a convert. Hillel stood on one leg and said, "What is hateful unto thyself, do not do unto thy neighbor. That is the whole of Torah; the rest is commentary. Now go and study it.")
I firmly believe in ghosts, and am fairly sure that there's quite a lot of psychic power we haven't explored yet. I believe that we'll get into space and start colonies someday, if we can get off our collective ass and just do it.
I'm pretty open on most supernatural stuff, and am not sure why it's thought to somehow be a threat to monotheism. As long as I'm not invoking other gods or worshipping spirits, I don't see why there's an issue there.
I believe that G-d speaks to us each as we can best understand Him.
I also believe that G-d is capable of growth and learning. After all, if we are made in His image and He isn't capable of that, what does it say about us?
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Date: 2005-06-27 01:24 am (UTC)Yeah, finding an actual community is hard sometimes.
Oh, wow - great story. And I love the line.
I don't get that either. And I also believe in ghosts, and think there's very logical reasons for them to exist. (I think its possible they have something that's keeping them on earth, and only go to Heaven when they feel content to leave earth).
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:31 am (UTC)Historically speaking, supernatural phenomena, such as ghosts and spirits and so forth threaten the Abrahamic religions because they are "pagan" ideals, and therefore influence people to turn their backs to God.
And why do I know this? I honestly can't say. I blame Humanities.
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Date: 2005-06-28 02:45 am (UTC)I mentioned this in a journal entry a long time ago: You know how in the Crusades, the Christians fought the Muslims for Jerusalem? And they both worship the same God? Can you imagine that? "Our father art in Heaven...Lord, help us." "Praise Allah! May He help us to victory!" *up in heaven* God: Uh...crap.
That may or may not be blasphemy.
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:40 am (UTC)Heh, yeah, I should qualify with that as well. As my friend
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Date: 2005-06-27 01:42 am (UTC)Not only do we believe in God and try our best to follow the teachings of the Bible, but we also believe in family, togetherness and companionship, which are described in the Bible, but those things identify who we are as a Filipino community in Australia.
I didn't really answer your question but I thought that you should know.
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Date: 2005-06-27 01:46 am (UTC)I believe that one should treat other people as one would wish to be treated. And that there are few things more wonderful or more terrible than ourselves.
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Date: 2005-06-27 01:51 am (UTC)I read astrology charts and tarot cards and believe in most supernatural phenomena, with a side of skepticism. For instance: I believe in life after death, and reincarnation. I do NOT believe that John Edward or anyone else is going to be talking to my dead grandma on cable TV. I find the channeled Seth books convincing but not most other channels, especially those who have business empires. I believe in ghosts and spirits but not every weird phenomenon is a ghost. I believe in the effectiveness of feng shui and ritual magic but it's not 100% effective all the time. But then what is? I believe in complementary and alternative medicine (acupuncture, homeopathy) but would still have chemo if I got cancer. I believe in karma and reincarnation but people who say that homeless people or tsunami victims are living out "karma" deserve a swift kick in the gonads. I believe in angels and in prayer even if they are not always responsive or answered.
And my kitties say to tell you that animals definitely DO have souls.
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:05 am (UTC)Absolutely.
I agree; sometimes, there's very good explanations for things other than the supernatural.
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Date: 2005-06-27 01:56 am (UTC)In terms of everything else, I'm pretty much of the same mind - give me the evidence. I believe that the most important thing in life is to love others, and try to treat your fellow humans with respect. The rest is mucking around with ways to control society. Odd as this is going to seem, Les Miserables probably sums up my attitude. "To love another person is to see the face of God..." (or, you know, whatever. Not necessarily God.)
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:05 am (UTC)No ghosts, fairies, anything supernatural, though I'm quite willing to believe there might be life on other planets.
I also have some stock in the idea of karma, and live by the basic moral code.
I could go on for ages but I think that covers the essentials. :D
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:25 am (UTC)I also believe all religions are false, and God is not only restricted by Time itself, but also a woman, black, and a lot like your favorite teacher; nice but strict and wanting the best for you. :D
Finally, I don't believe in fairies, but I do believe in ghosts.
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:25 am (UTC)We never went back to church and as I was exposed to the world and saw the good and the bad in almost every religion, I decided I didn't want a part in any of them - none would or ever will accept my primary belief - that if you live a good life and follow common standards of decency (which seem to be very much the same across cultures, time, and religion), you will go to heaven. Many Christians I know, including friends, insist that if you don't believe in Christ, you will go to hell. I can't accept this. I can't accept that over half the world will go to hell, whether they're decent people or not just because they don't believe in Christ. And the same goes for all of the other religions - they're not inclusive, they're exclusive. So I accept all religions and believe that your beliefs are true for you but they need not apply to everyone else and that everyone's belief structure should be respected and acknowledged. I believe in divine intervention to some extent, but I don't know whether I'd classify it as God or fate.
I once told my sister that I believed in Santa Claus more than God, the first Christmas that she stopped believing in Santa (obviously we still keep celebrating Christian holidays. And even now I sometimes wonder if that isn't still true. Sometimes I still think or have hope that if you wish for something hard enough it will happen, just like wishing for a certain present on Christmas Eve and magically finding it waiting under the tree on Christmas morning.
Other than that, hmm...I would like to believe in reincarnation, and find myself believing in that more and more - maybe simply because I wish the ones that I loved would come back to me in one way or another. After my very, very beloved cat died four years ago, I spent about a year thinking that sometime I would find a little kitten who crossed my path who would be the spitting image of her. Alas, that never happened, but my other cat has oddly adopted many of her best qualities in the last couple of years.
Oh, and I totally believe that ESP does exist, but not to tell the future just the present - almost everyone in my family has experienced it. It's probably what Legilimency would be like - more like reading minds. I've had some spookily accurate mind reading, but mostly with family members. But my Dad actually dreamed that his father had died and it woke him up around 6am. An hour or two later, he received the call that his father had passed away during the night and it was around that time.
And as for fairies - no. But witches and vampires do actually exist, they're just not magical or undead.
Sorry this is so long. Beliefs are a compelling question for me.
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:36 am (UTC)I believe in one God. For us, Moses and Jesus are both prophets (pbut), as are most of the other Jewish and Christian prophets. Muhammad (pbuh) was the last of these, and he delivered our holy book, the Qur'an.
The five basic pillars of the religion are:
1) Testimony - Attesting to belief in God and Muhammad (pbuh) as his messenger.
2) Prayer - Performing the 5 daily prayers, alotted to different times of the day.
3) Almsgiving - Uh. Self-explanatory? :)
4) Fasting - During the month of Ramadan, from sunrise to sunset without food or drink.
5) Hajj - Pilgrimage to the Ka'bah in Mecca at least once in one's lifetime.
I don't believe in ghosts in the sense of once-living people, but I do believe in spirits (jinn) as well as angels.
My religion seldom interferes with my views on politics; my personal standing is that very little, if anything, should be ordained to a person by someone other than him/herself, especially trivial matters pertaining to few others but the person. If that makes any sense. :\
*pbut/h - peace be upon them/him.
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Date: 2005-06-27 03:06 am (UTC)But I believe in One God in Three Persons; a Personal and Eternal God in whose image we are made. I believe that after death all souls are judged against God's perfect rightousness, and that without the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ, we are all found wanting. I believe that the Bible in its original manuscripts is inerrant, but that misinterpretation is inevitable at some point.
I believe that all people are capable of great good, but inclined towards great evil. I believe that creativity (art) and curiousity (science) are sacred gifts, and that we should use them to the best of our abilities. I believe that science and religion are compatible, and that all truth is God's truth. I believe in absolute truth, but that because of our fallen nature, none of us are able to percieve truth perfectly or in its entirety.
I believe in angels and spirits but am of the opinion that their existance and our existance don't overlap much.
I believe that the state must be just while the church and individuals must be merciful. I believe that all human life is sacred from conception onward, but that it is possible for a body to be "living" without a soul (braindead, persistent vegitative state) and that under rare circumstances, right to life can be forfeited (murder, and that's for the state to carry out, not individuals).
I believe that a good society is built upon solid families, and that individualism is an illusion. I believe that I should treat all people with love, respect, and grace no matter what.
I also believe that upon arrival in heaven, I will discover that I was wrong about something. :-)
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Date: 2005-06-27 03:16 am (UTC)I guess you could say my religion is one that is very vague, but something I believe it.
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Date: 2005-06-27 03:35 am (UTC)I'm Lutheran, which is a branch of Protestant Christianity. If I had to sum up the central beliefs of Lutheranism specificially, and not just Christianity in general, I'd say:
1. We emphasize the idea of God's grace - that God cares so much about human beings, and wants so much to have a relationship with human beings, that no matter how many times we screw up and mistreat ourselves and each other, God will never stop loving us. A Lutheran reading of the Bible emphasizes that it's the story of the continual outpouring of love from God to God's people.
2. We emphasize an idea that Luther called "theology of the cross." Basically, theology of the cross says two things:
(a) God is active in the world, but God is beyond us, and therefore isn't necessarily doing what we would be doing if we tried to run the universe :). This is why Lutherans don't tend to have official church opinions about political issues - we try to be open minded and reserve judgment, because we could be wrong.
(b) We are most likely to encounter God by spending time with the poor, the homeless, and the suffering. Jesus was poor and suffered while he was on earth, and God is with the poor and suffering now.
Boy, that was long. :) I hope it made sense!
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Date: 2005-06-27 04:05 am (UTC)My dad was raised very religious and was sent to a very, very religious school. His form of rebellion was going to college and becoming a scientist instead of the Rabbi his high school teachers were trying to persuade him to become. (I like to call my dad the silent rebel because of this little story, hehe!)
My mom was raised almost completely without religion in her house. She became more observant in her mid-20's and then met my dad soon after.
However, my dad is the one who believes that there could possibly be small animals in outer space and my mom believes that we are the only living beings in the universe! The one who grew up less religious has the more religious thoughts! A bit on the funny side, IMO!
I believe that ghosts are just passing through and making people do good deeds so they can get to heaven. I believe that there are many, many things we have absolutely no clue about. I believe in messages from whatever there is "beyond." My mom is highly superstitious while my dad believes nothing unless the facts are staring at him in the face. Even so, he seems to think there is enough proof of G-d or, knowing him, he would have run for the hills from religion long ago.
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Date: 2005-06-27 04:41 am (UTC)I believe that our dreams can be revealing, even psychic. I've personally had several dreams that I remembered vaguely after waking up, only to be brought back in full color when they came true later in the day.
I believe in deja-vu, considering it happens to me several times a month at least.
I believe in connections with other people that are on a level most people can't understand. Like the connection between a parent and child. Once when I was sick, and felt absolutely horrible, I started moaning in the night. I could barely hear myself I was so quiet. But all the way down the hall, in my parents' room with the door closed, my mom heard me and came to me.
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Date: 2005-06-27 06:46 am (UTC)This, as it was defined in the book which led me to conclude I was one, is the belief that I not only don't know whether or not there is a God, but that based on the information and evidence currently available, I can't know. There are some very good arguments on each side, and frankly I doubt the ability of the human mind to truly grasp the full Truth, regardless of what it might actually be. To claim to have All The Answers is sheer arrogance, even if by some chance one religion turns out to have been right in the end.
One thing I firmly do not believe is that the Bible is the perfect, literal word of God. I imagine it contains much historical accuracy (so does the movie Forrest Gump!) and I see a lot of wisdom and beauty in parts of it. Other parts I consider no more than rather horrifying remnants of an ancient, deeply patriarchal, savage tribal society. I see very little evidence of the loving, merciful Father so beloved by modern Christianity in the text of that book. And even people who've devoted their lives to studying it can't agree as to who actually wrote each part, or what might have been left out, tampered with, or invented.
I do believe that in the end, the Universe tends to unfold as it should. Either it's all part of the Ineffable Plan, or else every event in the history of the Universe has been the inevitable result of all the prior events leading up to it, right back to the beginning of Time. (Or both.) Either way, each of us is exactly where we should be, doing what we're supposed to be doing. I suppose that constitutes a sort of faith...
Fairies, ghosts, angels? I reserve judgement. Certainly there's room enough in the universe, and plenty of holes in our understanding thereof, to allow for their existence. But I've never seen conclusive evidence one way or the other.
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Date: 2005-06-27 02:59 pm (UTC)My beliefs are pretty much summed up by the LE church creed (paraphrased): ''I believe in God the Father, the Almighty, Creator of the heavens and the earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son, born by the Virgin Mary, crucified, dead and buried, on the third day, rosen from the dead...''
On that account, I'm pretty ''orthodox'', but I guess that depends on who you talk to. A lot of people here would consider me ''conservative'', ''orthodox'', etc. because I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He died for our sins, belive in the resurrection, etc., while certain people would practically consider me a heretic because I have left-leaning political views, consider myself a feminist and so on.
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Date: 2005-06-27 04:27 pm (UTC)I think that sums me up pretty well. I was brought up Catholic, but my mom is very open minded and I learned more science and history from her than religion.
I believe in evolution, ghosts, spirits, reincarntion, aliens, kharma, etc. I believe there is a higher conciousness out there that I tend to call "god", though I don't presume to know much about it. I believe we are set on this earth to learn certain lessons and we (more than likely) cannot learn all these things in one go-around.
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Date: 2005-06-27 04:31 pm (UTC)I'm terribly skeptical at other times, though, and I sort of swing between agnosticism and atheism. I haven't grown up in a religious environment - although my parents grew up in families where everyone went to church by default, they themselves are more non-religious than particularly atheist or agnostic. Religion doesn't impinge on their worlds, except for Dad's love of churches - he loves examining the architecture. So I haven't grown up feeling that I should be religious.
I don't believe in fairies, angels, or ghosts; but I do believe - perhaps feel would be a better word - that there is more to the psychic environment than one thinks.
Whatever beliefs I hold, I'm not particularly vocally vehement about them, even though I do have my opinions. I'm interested in all religions and forms of spirituality, but I don't think I'd ever 'convert' to any. I deeply admire people who do believe, or have converted; in a way I almost feel envious of them. They've got something to hold on to, something to turn to when the going gets tough. By not being able to believe wholeheartedly in a religion, I sometimes feel like I'm denying myself that reliability of faith. But it's not a choice of mine to deny myself that; the person I am is simply too - skeptical? cynical? I'm not sure -; whatever I am, I just don't have the ability to commit myself to a religion like that. And I really, really admire and envy those who can.
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Date: 2005-06-28 01:36 am (UTC)My personal beliefs are, at this stage, still in the process of being completely ironed out and are fairly complex (at least, to me). I believe is that God loves all His/Her children and sent different saints/angels/messengers/prophets/teachers to different parts of the world to give rise to different religions which *all contain the same basic teachings*: love your neighbors, work for peace, care for others. It was a test to see if we could all live together peacefully like we're supposed to. That means everyone's religion is valid. All of us walk different paths to the same goal. I have no right to say that so-and-so cannot go to Heaven because he/she is not of this or that religion. (Um, if you want more explanation on this point, just drop a comment in my lj.)
I don't belong to a formal religion, which is slightly troubling to me, but I have found that I have difficulty making blind leaps of faith without proof and I simply refuse to profess a religion without completely believing it. To do that would be unfair to me and to the religion. I have developed a tendency to avoid missionary Christians, partially because I resent the idea that half of the world's population will go straight to fire and brimstone because we don't belong. I know a *lot* of Buddhist men and women who most certainly *not* go downward and I refuse to believe in a God who would do that. (Yes, family and community mean a lot in my culture.) I sometimes wish I could take blind comfort in a faith, but I don't want to close myself off to the international world or other religions. Religion is a complicated thing. Everyone believes in something, even if it's nothing. And I think we, ignorant of what's going to happen next, have to live and accept each other because we're all in the same forest, all heading toward one goal. So why *don't* we help each other?
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Date: 2005-06-28 03:31 am (UTC)Also, I believe in the Bible Codes. They're kind of cool and kind of scary, and also they make sense with the contradictory nature of my belief in God.
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Date: 2005-06-28 05:52 am (UTC)I love being Catholic. I love the way church smells and the hymns and the Wedding Mass. I love that there are just those Catholic things that I do that people that grew up the way I did just get. I love the way saints and miracles factor into my everyday life. I love that I feel close to the Blessed Mother. I love the words of it.
Obviously, this is something that's really important to me. It's interesting, because there are things I do as part of my life that are considered sins. Often, I agree that they are. But I strive really, really hard to act out of love, and I think that God knows that, and places that ahead of my mistakes.
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Date: 2005-07-02 01:17 am (UTC)I believe everyone is equal, there are no superior or inferior beings. Tolerance and acceptance is the best thing (btw Hurray for Canada for making gay mariages legal, here is one more step into evolution and acceptance of others). Our one and true mother is mother-earth (which we are shamefully destroying :( ).
My grand-fater is a native so I guess that's why I think like that (it's just so cool so listen to him talk about spirituality). I believe in past lives and reincarnations, those we know now, we have already met them before but I do think we meet a couple of new people in each lives we have :) .
I also beleive in ghosts, spirits, telepathy, astral voyages and such. And I have weird superstitions like I don't have mirors in my room nor do I look into a miror when the lights are shut, there are dreamcatchers everywhere in the house and many more. Oh and yeah, I do believe aliens exists.
One last thing: I do believe in faeries! I do! I do! loll sorry I just had to say that lol