PoA Re-Read: Chapters Eleven and Twelve

[author_by_night]

Let's see if it  works this time.

For those of you who are new, or who have forgotten (since I halted re-reads in October), I've been re-reading the third Harry Potter book with "new eyes." When I was in fandom (well - more than I am now), PoA was my favorite book, and so far I think it still is, actually. But what I wanted to do was see how I perceived it from a less fannish point of view, because I do feel my fangirl self always overshadowed a bit. I demonstrate this with my parody character, FFP (Fangirl of Fandoms Past), who sometimes pops in to make commentary. If you were in fandom, you'll recognize her, maybe even in yourself. If not, well, you have an idea of how OTT and insane the fandom could be. But I'm trying to make this otherwise not so much about fandom as canon, so I digress.

To view previous chapters, follow the "prisoner of azkaban" tag.

In the last installment, Harry was given the Marauder's map and used it to sneak to Hogsmeade, where he, Ron and Hermione overheard a conveniently timed conversation revealing that (as far as they know) Sirius betrayed Lily and James.  Nothing good can come of this.

Chapter Eleven: The Firebolt

Oh good, more teen drama.

A most uncomfortable dinner commences as the trio don't dare speak a word to each other, because Percy's sitting close by. Harry is reeling that nobody - not Dumbledore, Fudge,  Hagrid, the Weasleys, anyone - mentioned why his parents died. As an adult I can understand why nobody did - how do you even begin such a conversation with a kid? - but I can't blame him for feeling a little betrayed.

After dinner, Harry goes to his room and finds the album Hagrid gave him. He turns the pages until he finds one of his parents' wedding. He'd never given the man next to them any thought, but now he realizes it's a younger Sirius, whose "handsome face is filled with laughter."

FFP: See? Even the books say he's hot.

Me: That's different from looking just like Johnny Depp  fresh out of Azkaban.

Harry wonders if Sirius had already been working for Voldemort, and if he was already planning their deaths. He supposes the Dementors don't affect him at all, so he doesn't have to hear Lily screaming. Poor guy.

Harry slams the album shut, and goes to bed. Ron comes in, but Harry pretends to be asleep. He imagines the scenario in his head over and over, interestingly picturing Peter as resembling Neville. I'm not sure if this is supposed to directly link Peter and Neville (so Neville being who Peter could have been?) or if it's more that Harry sees him as being just as vulnerable and innocent, since that's the idea he basically got. I certainly never saw Neville as being a tag-along, although I was never sure how much Peter was really one either.

The next morning, Harry enters the Common Room to be gently confronted by Ron and Hermione. Hermione says she doesn't want Harry to do anything stupid, and Ron elaborates that he doesn't want Harry to go trying to kill Sirius, because he's not worth dying for. Harry finally divulges the truth - that he hears his Mum screaming her final pleas.

The trio argue back and forth, and Harry mentions that even Draco (well, Malfoy, but I still think of him as Draco thanks to fandom) said he'd go after Black; Ron rightly points out that this is Draco we're talking about. Harry ignores him, saying the Malfoys were right in Voldemort's inner circle and that must be how they know. He just cannot stop thinking about the Malfoys. Hermione starts to get teary and begs Harry to be sensible, that his parents wouldn't have wanted him to put himself in danger; Harry just replies that thanks to Sirius, he can't know if that's true.  Ouch.

This may actually be the first time Harry wants to go after someone purely out of revenge. Not that we haven't seen him fight, obviously we have  - but the only person in danger this time is Harry himself (as far as he knows); his only motive is vengeance. It's a huge turning point for him.

Crookshanks stretches his claws, and Ron's pocket quivers. Yeah, keep feeling like shit, rat. Ron suggests they visit Hagrid, and Harry says it's a great idea - that way, he can ask Hagrid why he never mentioned Sirius when "he told me all about my parents!" Maybe because you'd only just found out you were a wizard?

They trudge the snow to Hagrid's hut, but nobody answers when Ron knocks. They put their heads to the door and hear low, throbbing moans. Harry thumps on the door and calls for him anxiously.

Hagrid opens the door, tears splashing down his clothes. He asks Harry if he's heard and flings himself around Harry's neck. Ron and Hermione rescue Harry and help him sit down. He keeps crying and shoves a letter towards Harry. The letter is from the school governors telling him that while they've decided the incident wasn't Hagrid's fault due to the "assurances of Professor Dumbledore", they're still blaming Buckbeak. A hearing has been set for April 20th in London. In the meantime, the hippogriff has to be isolated.

Ron says that Buckbeak will probably be let off, but Hagrid points out that the Committee for the Disposal of Dangerous Creatures is bigger on the "disposing" part. The trio try to reassure him, but Hagrid is convinced that they'll just want Buckbeak killed. Hagrid says that he doesn't want to ask anything else of Dumbledore with Sirius being loose; Ron and Hermione look at Harry anxiously, afraid he'll say something, but Harry is softened by Hagrid's anguish and decides to leave it for now. He promises to help him, and Ron offers to make tea. When everyone stares at him, he explains that it's what his mum does. This made me laugh.

The tea does indeed calm Hagrid a little, and he admits he has to pull himself together. He says he's worried nobody likes his classes, so the trio insist they like them. Hagrid goes on to say how the Dementors remind him of when he was in Azkaban, how he couldn't remember anything happy, and how he almost forgot who he was.

Hagrid adds that the Dementors didn't even want to let him go, and when Hermione points out that Hagrid was innocent, Hagrid scoffs, saying it doesn't matter to them. Once again, foreshadowing. Hagrid goes on to say that he's thought of just letting Buckbeak go, but he doesn't know how to explain to a hippogriff that it has to leave.

While Harry hasn't forgotten everything with Sirius, his focus has changed. The trio borrow some books from the library and spend the rest of the day searching for ways to help defend their friend. They do come across some interesting cases...

“Here’s something . . . there was a case in 1722 . . . but the hippogriff was convicted — ugh, look what they did to it, that’s disgusting —”

“This might help, look — a manticore savaged someone in 1296, and they let the manticore off — oh — no , that was only because everyone was too scared to go near it. . . "

More time passes, and on Christmas morning, Ron wakes Harry up by throwing a pillow at him and going "oy! Presents!" I love Ron. Have I mentioned that?

They open their presents in the dorm, and Harry spots a long thin package underneath everything else. He opens it, and much to his surprise, it's a Firebolt, just like the one he'd seen at Diagon Alley. There's no card or note; Ron asks who would spend that much money on him, and Harry says it probably wasn't the Dursleys. Ron suggests Dumbledore, but Harry says it can't be, because the cloak was just his father's. They laugh at the thought of Draco's jealousy, and then Ron suggests that Remus got it, because he was away when the Nimbus was smashed and might have bought it wherever he was. Harry points out that Remus had been sick, but Ron says he didn't see him in the Hospital Wing while he was cleaning.

Hermione comes in, and Ron yells at her to leave Crookshanks out. She ignores him, and her jaw drops at the sight of the Firebolt. When Harry says he doesn't know who bought it, her face falls and she bites her lip. Hermione suggests that he shouldn't ride it yet, but before she can explain why, Crookshanks springs right at Ron's chest.

Ron throws Scabbers off and tries to kick Crookshanks, but kicks the trunk instead. From one cat owner to another: If your cat is trying to do something it shouldn't do, you really should isolate it from the situation.

The Sneakscope is whistling loudly, with Crookshanks hissing and spitting at it. Hermione takes Crookshanks out of the room, and Harry shoves the Sneakscope away. Scabbers is huddled in Ron's hands, looking very thin and even missing fur. Ron chalks it up to stress, but Harry can't help thinking Scabber's not going to live much longer, and knows that Ron would be quite sad.

Hermione doesn't really speak to either of them, instead staring at the broom darkly until it's time to go to the luncheon. A single table has been set for twelve; the trio oblige themselves along with a few others and the professors. Dumbledore tosses a noisemaker to Snape, who tugs it despite not wanting to; the cracker is a vulture hat, which does not amuse him. Trelawney shows up, and says she foresaw herself joining them. Whatever you say, Sybil. Trelawney won't sit because then they'd be thirteen; McGonagall grows impatient and says "we'll risk it."

Trelawney looks around and inquires as to where Remus is. McGonagall asks how she didn't know, and Trelawney's excuse is that "one does not parade the fact that one is All Knowing."

FFP: *Headdesk*

When FFP headdesks, it's bad.

FFP: HEY!

Trelawney goes on to say that she'd offered to gaze for Remus, but he'd fled because he must know he "will not be with us for very long." Dumbledore says that Remus is probably not in any immediate danger, but still asks if Snape made "that potion" again."

When Harry and Ron get up Trelawney panics because, again, they've been a table of thirteen. She demands to know who got up first, and neither Ron nor Harry really know. McGonagall is clearly unmoved.

“I doubt it will make much difference,” said Professor McGonagall coldly, “unless a mad axe-man is waiting outside the doors to slaughter the first into the entrance hall.”

Nice.

Hermione stays behind to talk to McGonagall, and Ron says it's probably because she wants to know if she can take any more classes. Harry and Ron return to admire the Firebolt and are on the verge of fighting over who gets to marry it when Hermione and McGonagall enter the Common Room. McGonagall says that Hermione had informed them that he'd gotten a Firebolt. With all due respect, Minerva dear, that's... one way to ruin a teenager's social life. Better to discreetly "discover" it yourself. (Although I guess that would've been difficult.) Poor Hermione's face is turning red behind an upside-down book.

McGonagall asks Harry if he knows where it came from, and says she will have to check it for jinxes, perhaps even stripped down. Once they're sure it's safe, she says, he'll have it back - likely within a few weeks.

As soon as McGonagall leaves, Ron turns on Hermione and asks what she was thinking. Hermione's face is pink, but she still looks Ron in the eye and tells him her theory: That the broom was sent by Sirius Black.

Dun dun DUN.

Chapter Twelve

Ron and Harry are furious with Hermione even though they both know she meant well. So basically, they're not talking.

When school starts back, Oliver asks Harry how his Christmas was. He won't say it directly, but implies that he's wondered if it wouldn't be best for Harry to stay off the field as long as there's Dementors at Hogwarts. Harry assures him that he's working on it, and tells Oliver all about the Firebolt. Oliver says he'll talk to McGonagall for him. Yeah, that'll go over well.

Harry schedules his first lesson with Remus, and discusses this with Ron afterwards. Ron asks why he still looks ill, and Hermione (who has been eavesdropping) tuts, "well, isn't it obvious?"

FFP: It's SO obvious. And tragically hot.

It isn't to them, and when Hermione struts off, Ron says she's just "trying to get us to talk to her again."

Guess who doesn't miss being a preteen? THIS girl.

At eight o'clock, Harry meets Giles Remus in the History of Magic classroom. Harry asks what Remus has in his trunk; it is, of course, a Boggart. Remus tells Harry that the spell he's about to teach him is advanced, beyond OWLs, called the Patronus Charm. The Patronus is described as acting as a shield of sorts between the person and the Dementor. Harry pictures a Hagrid sized figure holding a club. We learn that the shape of a Patronus is unique to the wizard who conjures it, and can only be conjured if you're thinking a happy thought with all your might. Poor Harry can't think of anything from when he was living with the Dursleys, so he settles on the first time he rode a broomstick.

Harry practices the incantation, Expecto Patronum, until a small wisp of silvery gas comes out of his wand. Remus asks if he's ready for almost the real thing.

The next part is interesting. Harry puts up a fight, but still succumbs even though the Boggart's only pretending to be a Dementor. The effect is exactly the same. This really says a lot about how fear actually works - how even something resembling the upsetting matter can result in a horrific trigger. I realize PoA isn't supposed to be about mental illness, but the parallels are still clear, and it makes me hate the Ministry of Magic a little. I don't care who you are, nobody deserves that.

Remus rouses Harry and offers chocolate; Harry tells Remus that he could actually hear Lily clearer this time, which pales Remus considerably. He tells Harry they don't have to continue, but Harry insists. In other words, Remus avoids conflict; Harry runs straight to it.

Remus tells Harry to select another happy memory, and Harry decides to use the time the Gryffindors won the House Championship. Harry keeps yelling Expecto Patronum, but he's sent to happy happy land anyway.

(What? I'm trying to keep things light.)

This time, it's not Lily's voice, but rather, James's. He's panicking, screaming for Lily to take Harry and go, as "it's him." He then hears a cackle of high pitched laughter - okay, that's a bit cartoonish for this dark of a scene. It's why I always had trouble taking Voldemort's scenes seriously. Like the Daleks in Doctor Who.

Harry comes to, and tells Remus "I heard my Dad." He then bends down to hide the fact that he's crying. Remus finally lets on that his protectiveness towards Harry might not be so random when he says, in a strange voice, "you heard James?"

FFP: Poor Remus...

I'll give FFP this one, it's pretty gutting when you consider that James was one of Remus's closest friends (probably his only real friend at all, besides Sirius and Peter), and he just heard his thirteen year old son say he heard him dying.

Harry asks if Remus knew him, and Remus says that they were friends at Hogwarts, but changes the subject and suggests again that they stop for tonight. But Harry refuses; he thinks really hard, and realizes his true happiest memory was finding out that he was a wizard and leaving the Dursleys.


Harry says he's ready, and Remus once again unleashes the Dementor.

The screaming inside Harry’s head had started again — except this time, it sounded as though it were coming from a badly tuned radio — softer and louder and softer again — and he could still see the dementor — it had halted — and then a huge, silver shadow came bursting out of the end of Harry’s wand, to hover between him and the dementor, and though Harry’s legs felt like water, he was still on his feet — though for how much longer, he wasn’t sure —

Remus runs forward and calls "Riddikulus!" Harry sinks into a chair, and Remus tells him that was definitely a start, but it's best to leave things for now. He offers Harry chocolate, and says they'll meet the same time next week. After a minute or two, Harry says Remus must have known Sirius, too.




Remus looks startled, almost anxious, and asks what makes Harry think that; his faces relaxes when Harry says he just knows they were friends. Why is Remus so shocked that Harry came to that conclusion? Was he worried Harry knew everything? Is it because he knows Other Things, and realizes if Harry's come to that conclusion, other people might as well?

As Harry heads back to the Tower of Griffins (the proper name is getting redundant), his mind replays his parents, and realizes he half wants to hear them again.

In the coming weeks, Quidditch stuff happens I don't really care about because I have no interest in grammar school athletics; the short of it is that between Quidditch Practice and Patronus Practice, Harry really only has one night a week to do homework. But he can tell Hermione has more, as she's almost literally buried in work and snaps at anyone who tries to speak to her. To be fair, Harry, you and Ron aren't being overly inviting. This is an obsession of Ron's, because he wuvs her. Or because he's nosy. Either way, he can't help notice that many of her classes are still at the same time. For instance, Ernie told him she'd never missed a Muggle Studies class, except it's at the same time as Divination.

Harry doesn't have time to worry, and is trying to get back to his essay when Oliver interrupts him. (God, I know the feeling.)

“Bad news, Harry. I’ve just been to see Professor McGonagall about the Firebolt. She — er — got a bit shirty with me. Told me I’d got my priorities wrong. Seemed to think I cared more about winning the Cup than I do about you staying alive. Just because I told her I didn’t care if it threw you off, as long as you caught the Snitch first.”

Oh, Oliver. In any case, Oliver thinks it's best Harry just gets a new broom, and points out he can just get the broom Draco has. But Harry won't buy the same broom as Draco, because he's got standards.

As January "fades into February," Harry still doesn't have a broom. Harry asks dear ol' Minnie McG if he can have it back as Hermione rushes past them, averting her eyes, and she of course says no, asking him to stop badgering her.

FFP: Nah, Hufflepuffs badger you. Get it?

Meanwhile, the anti-Dementor lessons (Harry calls them that, not me) aren't going well. He's still only able to produce a silver shadow. Remus gets a little stern with him and says he expects too much of himself, and he should be glad he's not passing out anymore. Remus then offers Butterbeer, and


Harry gets excited because "I like that stuff." Remus gets suspicious, though I'm not sure why. Is Butterbeer illegal everywhere but Hogsmeade? In any case, Remus still looks suspicious when Harry says Ron and Hermione (at least he included her name in there) brought him back some.

Harry asks what's under a Dementor's hood; the answer is that the only people who know can't tell you, because they've been Kissed. Essentially your soul gets eaten. Remus goes on to add coolly that it's the fate that awaits Sirius.

Harry sat stunned for a moment at the idea of someone having their soul sucked out through their mouth. But then he thought of Black. “He deserves it,” he said suddenly.

“You think so?” said Lupin lightly. “Do you really think anyone deserves that?”

“Yes,” said Harry defiantly . “For . . . for some things . . .”

I can't tell if Remus agrees, but it's interesting that he would so off-handedly mention Sirius's presumed fate. It certainly implies he doesn't question his guilt, and maybe hasn't even thought of Sirius as having been the same person he was friends with in school, hence his reaction to Harry's question. I imagine when James, Lily and (as far as he knew) Peter died, he would have probably focused more on his grief anyway, so perhaps everything else just got put on the backburner. Until now.

Harry considers telling Remus what he heard, but decides Remus wouldn't be impressed that he'd gone to Hogsmeade without permission. (The second thing Harry decides not to mention to Remus. Everybody - FORESHADOWING!)

So he thanks Remus for his time, leaves the classroom, and bumps into McGonagall halfway up the stairs. McGonagall tells him to watch where he's going, and that she's been looking for him because he can have his Firebolt back. They cannot find one thing wrong with it. Harry's jaw drops, and McGonagall smiles and tells him to please win the next match, because otherwise they'll be out of the running for the eighth year in a row, "as Professor Snape was kind enough to remind me only last night." Talk about a colleague from hell.

Harry tells Ron, and then tells him they should "make up with Hermione now." How convenient. Ron says she's in the Common Room. (Considering they're not friends right now, he does still keep tabs on her - do I spot an anvil?)

Neville's outside the Common Room, upset because he lost his password list (everybody - FORESHADOWING!), and Sir Cadogan accuses Neville of trying to "force entry into my chambers within!"

When they finally get into the room, everybody immediately clamors at the sight of Harry's Firebolt. Someone asks Harry if "I can just hold it?" After ten minutes, Ron and Harry finally walk over to Hermione. Harry almost literally rubs it in passive aggressively, while grinning.. Hermione rubs it in right back, saying there might have been, but hey, they're talking. For now.

Ron hurries off to give Scabbers rat tonic, taking the Firebolt with him. Harry asks if he can sit down next to Hermione, and Hermione coolly says "I suppose so." Good girl, although I would've made him sit on the floor or something. Harry sees everything Hermione's working on, and asks her how she does it. Harry notes that she looks just as tired as Lupin, and asks why she doesn't drop a few subjects. Hermione looks scandalized.




Harry says Arithmancy looks particularly terrible, and Hermione begins to tell him why it's not when a "strangled yell" echoes down the boys' staircase. The entire room falls silent, and soon Ron emerges with a bed sheet, throwing it on Hermione's table. There's no Scabbers, but there is something that looks terribly like blood.

Ron goes on to yell that there was something on the floor. That something being "several long, ginger cat hairs."

Ruh-roh.

Comments

[ragnarok-08.livejournal.com]

I remember these chapters vividly!

[sea_thoughts]

He imagines the scenario in his head over and over, interestingly picturing Peter as resembling Neville. I'm not sure if this is supposed to directly link Peter and Neville (so Neville being who Peter could have been?) or if it's more that Harry sees him as being just as vulnerable and innocent, since that's the idea he basically got.

I think it's meant to be paralleling Neville and Peter and also setting up some false foreshadowing that Neville might turn out to be like Peter, though Neville's already stood up to his friends and foes in ways that Peter never did.

Harry says it's a great idea - that way, he can ask Hagrid why he never mentioned Sirius when "he told me all about my parents!" Maybe because you'd only just found out you were a wizard?

Yeah, Hagrid didn't even want to tell him about Voldemort, I can't imagine him voluntarily bringing up Sirius, not to mention that Sirius was in Azkaban being punished at the time, anyway!

Hermione isn't very sympathetic to Ron over Crookshanks, is she? I can understand her dismissing his accusations that Crookshanks is stalking Scabbers deliberately (although, haha, he was TOTALLY RIGHT) but she isn't helping matters by letting Crookshanks just wander all over the boys' dormitory and not even stopping him from trying to get at Scabbers.

Remus tells Harry that the spell he's about to teach him is advanced, beyond OWLs, called the Patronus Charm.

I've always wondered when they actually learn the Patronus Charm, because from the leaflets and things in HBP, either it isn't actually taught or it's so difficult that very few actually manage to master the spell.

Remus gets suspicious, though I'm not sure why. Is Butterbeer illegal everywhere but Hogsmeade?

I think it's more that it isn't served in Hogwarts, Harry was brought up by Muggles who wouldn't have it, and McGonagall must have told the other teachers that he isn't allowed to go to Hogsmeade, yet somehow he knows what Butterbeer is and what it tastes like! I'd be suspicious too.

I can't tell if Remus agrees, but it's interesting that he would so off-handedly mention Sirius's presumed fate. It certainly implies he doesn't question his guilt, and maybe hasn't even thought of Sirius as having been the same person he was friends with in school, hence his reaction to Harry's question. I imagine when James, Lily and (as far as he knew) Peter died, he would have probably focused more on his grief anyway, so perhaps everything else just got put on the backburner. Until now.

I believe Remus himself says that he didn't start to question the official version of events until he saw Peter's name on the map and then his whole world turned upside down.

I love that Hermione's reaction to Harry's perfectly sensible suggestion is "ZOMG NO THAT WOULD BE THE WORST THING EVER" but maybe this is part of her reaction to being stuck in the hospital wing for weeks in CoS. It would make her even more determined not to miss anything and to do everything she could.

Here is Part Four of Watching for Wolves!

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

No, Hermione isn't sympathetic - and again, as a cat owner, I think it's pretty important to remember your pet is an animal. Of course, in this case it actually worked out well that Hermione just let Crookshanks be... Crookshanks, but still.



I've always wondered when they actually learn the Patronus Charm, because from the leaflets and things in HBP, either it isn't actually taught or it's so difficult that very few actually manage to master the spell.

Yeah, I'm not sure. It might be that the MoM at the time wasn't eager to encourage learning it. Even Scrimegour was as bad as Fudge, after all. Of course, we also never really learn what's needed for the NEWTs at all other than their subjects, do we?


I think it's more that it isn't served in Hogwarts, Harry was brought up by Muggles who wouldn't have it, and McGonagall must have told the other teachers that he isn't allowed to go to Hogsmeade, yet somehow he knows what Butterbeer is and what it tastes like! I'd be suspicious too.

Actually, that's a good point, and Remus also may not be aware that Harry's spent parts of the summer with the Weasleys (although he never had it at the Burrow either).


but maybe this is part of her reaction to being stuck in the hospital wing for weeks in CoS.

Possibly... I hadn't considered her possibly still being a bit jolted by that.

[sea_thoughts]

Of course, we also never really learn what's needed for the NEWTs at all other than their subjects, do we?

That's true and Harry's focus switches from DADA to Potions for his sixth year, so we don't really hear if those who weren't in Dumbledore's Army start learning the Patronus Charm then. It's unusual enough that he's asked to perform it as a special request in his practical OWL exam, though.

Remus also may not be aware that Harry's spent parts of the summer with the Weasleys (although he never had it at the Burrow either)

I doubt he is. I'm sure that Dumbledore kept that as quiet as possible and Lupin's been out of touch with Dumbledore for some time before the beginning of this book.

Possibly... I hadn't considered her possibly still being a bit jolted by that.

Neither had I until I wrote that!

[mollywheezy.livejournal.com]

When I read PoA for the first time, I was the same age as Remus is in the book, so I really related to him. I think he missed the boat with Harry, though. He had the perfect opportunity to tell Harry the truth about himself, Sirius, his parents . . . or at least the bare bones facts, and didn't do it. I thought then, and still think now, that if Remus had been the one to tell Harry, Harry would have trusted him, maybe even trusted him enough to show him the map when it was still possible to catch Peter and prove Sirius' innocence.

Reading these books as an adult also made me incredibly thankful to be an adult and NOT a teenager. :P

And I loved the line after Christmas dinner when Harry and Ron left the table and found the corridor devoid of mad axe-men. ;)

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

I was Hermione's age when I read the book, so I think I related more to them, although I found the Marauders more interesting, possibly because I could relate almost too much to the trio's drama. Having my own on-and-off again friendship was exhausting enough. Now I'm in my late twenties, so I can relate to Remus a tad more on a personal level.

I thought then, and still think now, that if Remus had been the one to tell Harry, Harry would have trusted him, maybe even trusted him enough to show him the map when it was still possible to catch Peter and prove Sirius' innocence.


That's such a good point. It's sad how in so many ways, they both miss the boat here... and throughout the rest of the series, really. But you're absolutely right, you have to wonder what might have changed even this early on had they been more truthful with each other.