The Shipping Poll

[author_by_night]

[Poll #662333]


H/G was not included, but I see now it is technically still a ship, and I apologize.

Sorry.

Comments

[ronluvshermione.livejournal.com]

Ticky boxes are love.
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[farting-nora.livejournal.com]

You forgot Harry/Ginny on your list of canon ships. I guess people can just pick other.

Yay for ticky boxes!

[chocolatepot.livejournal.com]

For my "other" at the end there: OCs and canon characters, yes, I read anything, and ROSE BLACK/FRANK LUPIN OTP!!!!

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Well, it's really hard to tell... I mean,technically, they're not together anymore, you know? And whether or not they stay together depends on your view. I probably should've gone with making the "disputedly canon" question.

Lily/James is another era, so I think they can be called canon... gah, does that make sense?

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

:) I still have to read Rose/Frank.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Hehe. Well, they ARE love. ;)

[tunxeh.livejournal.com]

H/G ARE A CANON SHIP. They have been shown together in canon. Hermione/Viktor is also a canon ship, as is Dean/Ginny and Harry/Cho. Ron/Hermione is the one that to my mind is iffy as canon, as they have not been shown acting as a couple romantically in canon though it's clear that both would like to. I felt kind of offended, actually, that you completely omitted as important a ship as H/G from any of your lists of ships. It's the one I meant when I ticked "Other" in canon.

The one I meant for "Other" in fanon is Harry/Ginny/Luna. And the strangely missing answer in the "do you read non-canon ships" part, which I used other for, was simply "Yes" — I read non-canon ships with canon characters, and also sometimes with OCs, not just one or the other.

[gileonnen.livejournal.com]

. . . hmmm. My answers still haven't appeared on the poll, even though it said that my answers were submitted.

Most suspicious.

[harriet-wimsey.livejournal.com]

I counted Harry/Ginny as my "other" canon ship, and my "other" answers farther down the poll meant that while I occasionally read non-canon ships, it doesn't take up much of my time--I'll read them because the writing is very good, not because of their ships.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Wow, sorry, sorry! I meant current ones.

I didn't mean to offend anyone, okay? There's no need to all caps me like that.

Harry and Ginny were canon, yes, and I think they will be again. As of now, they are not together. I'm sorry. I still think they love one another, but they broke up.

If it would offend less people, I will edit it, though.

[tunxeh.livejournal.com]

As of now, they are not together.

I fail to see how you can list Ron/Hermione as together now, though. Or James/Lily.

And I don't think you can edit polls.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Weird... you may have to redo it. Sorry. :(

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Sigh. Fair enough, though I still think R/Hr were fairly canon - it implies they got together - and Lily and James died, so they didn't break up or anything.

But hey, don't take it personally. I wasn't doing it against H/G shippers. I've edited the entry, though not the poll.

[chocolatepot.livejournal.com]

I still have to finish writing it. But it is on the computer at home angst angst woe.

[partly-bouncy.livejournal.com]

Fanon, old skool definition, is when some piece of fan belief based loosely on canon ideas is confused with canon. There are lots of examples of it. (And some are made worse by people not familiar with the source material who read just the fan fiction. Erf.)

As such, of course you can ship fanon relationships. And there is nothing wrong with shipping non-canon relationships unless you're insisting they are canon and cannot point to the source for that information because you're so steeped in fanon you can't tell them apart.

[ex-jo-blogs.livejournal.com]

I was surprised that you included Harry/Draco and Harry/Ron/Hermione in fanon ships but not Harry/Ron. That's my preferred ship if I'm reading non-canon, which isn't much of the time. Fun poll - love 'ticky boxes'. Ok if I friend you?

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Gah, Harry/Ron... I can't believe I didn't include it. *Headdesk* The reason I can't believe I forgot was because a friend/flister of mine actually ships it.

And of course you can friend me! :)

Oh, and icon love.

[j-lunatic.livejournal.com]

Ticky boxes + clicks = OTP.

[rain206.livejournal.com]

I totally didn't notice that you forgot H/G.

[fannishnej.livejournal.com]

A ship is: a physical/romantic relationship that both characters admit (if only to themselves) that they are involved in.

I should note that I'm more active in the Slayerverse fandom than in the Potterverse, and so kind of looked at my answers here through that filter. Several months ago I had a discussion about different types of 'ships (http://bookworm-jen.livejournal.com/39608.html#cutid1) in my own journal.

[flyingcarpet.livejournal.com]

I think Harry/Ginny is definitely a canon ship.

To switch fandoms, I definitely consider Buffy/Angel and Buffy/Riley canon ships-- even though they broke up in canon, they definitely shared romantic relationships in canon.

In the same way, I would consider Harry/Cho, Cedric/Cho, Percy/Penelope, etc. to be canon ships. But I do not consider Ron/Hermione to be canon at this point-- although it looks like it's going to happen, it hasn't happened yet and so I don't think of it as canon.

[laurel-potter.livejournal.com]

I voted for "Other" in a couple of cases, because most of the fanfiction I read is Harry/Ginny, or Ron/Hermione.

[rhrsoulmates.livejournal.com]

But hey, don't take it personally. I wasn't doing it against H/G shippers. I've edited the entry, though not the poll.

Thank you author_by_night for at least admitting you weren't doing it against H/G shippers because we see too much of that around the fandom and seeing that they were left off the list when HBP couldn't be any clearer that they are canon. They may be currently "on a break" (to borrow the term from "Friends") but their relationship is AS canon as Lily/James. You say that they (J/L) are of a different era and are dead so that, what? is an excuse as to why they are technically still canon (though dead) while H/G aren't? (Just asking to clarify). I think that's what people may have issues with.

tunxeh stated that Hermione/Viktor is also a canon ship, as is Dean/Ginny and Harry/Cho. which is also true. We can add Michael/Ginny; Cedric/Cho; Percy/Penelope; Merope/Tom Riddle, Sr.; Frank/Alice Longbottom; Mr./Mrs. Granger; Lucius/Narcissa Malfoy along with probably a ton more but I just don't have time to list them.

On your list, if you are defining "Canon couples" as currently together than you really can only include Molly/Arthur, Remus/Tonks, and Bill/Fleur. As mentioned before James and Lily are dead so unless their rotting corpses share the same grave, they aren't "currently together" (however their relationship is still canon). Ron and Hermione is my OTP and their mutual romantic feelings ARE canon however until Book 7, we won't know if they are "dating" officially or not (which should technically leave them off your list if being together now is the only defining factor). Same goes for Hagrid & Maxime. There is no current evidence they are dating.

So, perhaps you can see how people can get offended. Harry and Ginny's relationship took an important turn in HBP. They were certainly together for X amount of weeks and they broke up not because their relationship went south, or because anyone cheated on the other, or because they got into a huge row. We all know WHY Harry felt he had to break it off now (but as with Ron and Hermione, we won't know until we begin reading Book 7 just exactly how Harry and Ginny will follow through with the decision to stay apart, even though it was clear that they both didn't want that.)

Perhaps you should edit the entry to explain how YOU define a canon relationship. That's the thing because in actuality, if it happened in the text of a book or if the author herself states something ("Yes, we do now know that it's Ron and Hermione" ~JKR 2005) it's canon. Fanon can be any combination your imagination can conjure up thus the couples you've listed plus endless others would fit in that category.

Hope you don't mind my two knuts. I know there is so much more that can be said on this topic but I just had to post when I was linked the poll. Thanks.

[lavinialavender.livejournal.com]

Define ship: two people (or for fun, objects or animals) put together in a romantic way. Does not have to be canon or even likely. It is just what one finds attractive.

I'm also the person who wrote the mad Lily/Severus comment at the end, bwah. It's been my OTP for nigh four years (*shakes cane*) and FINALLY it's inching up in fandom. Oh, but the sixth book has done wonders for us.

[watersusurrus.livejournal.com]

Sorry, to explain my comment: "I think you needed to seperate "what J.K.R. said" and "canon" in your questions."

As a member of fandom, I actually don't give much thought to what J.K.R. says about the books. I'm all for the "death of the author".

This made it hard for me to answer these questions:
"When the characters express romantic feelings, romantic actions, and/or JK Rowling says "such and such are together.""

and most especially:
"Any ship with characters JK Rowling has not said are in love, or who have not been together in canon."

That has affected (effected? I will remember which way around these two go one day!) my answers and I thought you might be interested in my feedback. Thank you for the ticky boxes. I get finger twitch when people post without ticky boxes. It's just cruel.

[white-serpent.livejournal.com]

I don't really read the canon ships; I'm not very interested in most of them because (1) I'll see them in canon anyway and (2) they don't contain Snape or Sirius.

My fanon ship is Snape/Sirius. In addition to those listed, I read Snape/Hermione. (I'm somewhat surprised by your list of fanon ships... size-wise, I think the Snape/Harry ship is big, so you'll get a lot of "other" clicks.)

I think you can plausibly ship anything. (Plausibility isn't most people's major concern, though.)

[tamerterra.livejournal.com]

Ditto, that's one of my faves.

[kennahijja.livejournal.com]

Ambled in via the d_s:
One thing to add: I'd consider a 'ship' 'canon' if there's enough romantic actions/protestations in canon - unless it's in the books, the creator's comments don't really make a ship canonical for me; for example, I'd still need to see RW/HG slipping a bit closer towards an actual relationship before I'd take them as 'canon ship' instead of something with 'strong canonical subtext'. Harry/Ginny I'd call a canon ship, Ron/Hermione not yet. Incidentally, in a completely unrelated poll, mad_maudlin proposed a brilliant 'classification' of ships (http://kennahijja.livejournal.com/91154.html?thread=1001234#t1001234) - just in case you're interested.

I don't see how one could 'ship' (i.e. promote, not write) OCs... To me, playing around with canon characters in non-canonical pairings implies that they're there for the taking in canon...

And of course it's tons of fun to read ships that will never be canon - that's one of the intriguing things of fanfic as such :).

[story645.livejournal.com]

Uh Canon's what's written in the books. I'm very surprised that you don't have that option. And I ship Ron/anyone he isn't closely related to.

[infinitegraces]

Define ship: two people (or for fun, objects or animals) put together in a romantic way. Does not have to be canon or even likely. It is just what one finds attractive.

<3

You rock for that definition. I mean really, who cares about shipping completely canon? What's the fun in that? ;)

(I do admit to liking me a big spot of Bill/Fleur and Remus/Tonks, though.)

[lavinialavender.livejournal.com]

Hee, thanks! I've never been applauded for my own definition of something before. But yeah, that's what shipping is. It's all about character dynamics, and potential character dynamics.

(Before I discovered fandom - and a Lily/Severus fic was like, the third fic I ever read, period, and it started it all - I loved Lily/James. Well, Lily's always been my favorite.)

[gunderpants.livejournal.com]

Hahahahahaha someone said in the 'other' poll question that r/t isn't canon. Hahahaha they are so silly.

[siria-eva-black.livejournal.com]

You don't need to apologize for lack of H/G in your poll... they broke up so it isn't canon

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

But I have:

When the characters express romantic feelings, romantic actions, and/or JK Rowling says "such and such are together."

That includes the books. :)

And that's cool about Ron. I just couldn't possibly think of every ship out there - sorry!

[story645.livejournal.com]

Slightly different cause the above includes interviews and subtext.

[infinitegraces]

Most of my favorites are in the Trio-era, with the big exception of L/J.

[alil2sarcastic.livejournal.com]

It's hard to remember all the ships. No matter how hard you try someone will always get all shitty with you over a poll question. I think it is because this fandom is just bat!shit crazy.

Learned that the hard way.

[hat-fm.livejournal.com]

What an interesting and informative poll. So many ticky boxes. :D

As for the whole shipping thing, I tend to stay away from the more popular and/or canon pairings mainly because I see so much art/fic/etc. of them that they've lost their flavour so to speak. Of course, I ship Snape/Lupin so maybe I'm just weird. :D

[cinnamontoast.livejournal.com]

Harry/Hand. Don't forget Harry/Hand.

[abbers44.livejournal.com]

Dude, you made Fandom Wank (http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/884629.html).

Your journey through fandom is complete.

[cornedbee.livejournal.com]

I think the real problem is that you have a question about what constitutes a canon ship, but at the same time have your own definition of canon ship in the next question, one that doesn't even appear in the previous one. (H/G are canon under both defining answers of the What Is question, R/Hr only under one.)

[moonlinnet.livejournal.com]

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Does this really count as wank? I didn't think it was that big.

[fernwithy.livejournal.com]

Do you read/write ships that you know could never possibly be canon? (OC's included, obviously).

My "other" on this one is ships that are simply never, ever going to be expressed, but I guess I should have said no, re-reading it. Reading a ship that can't be would be sort of like reading a story in which Hogwarts is randomly in Zimbabwe.

Can you plausibly ship original characters?

With one another? Yeah. Definitely. With canons? Depends on whether or not the canons are canonically involved with someone else.

I think of fanon ships as ones that are popular in fandom, but have no particular support in canon. In that line, I'd probably ship Remus and Lily during their school years.

[beatriceeagle.livejournal.com]

I couldn't believe it when I saw the entry...

Congrats, AbN!!!

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