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author_by_night ([personal profile] author_by_night) wrote2005-04-10 05:25 pm

Romance and characters

At Sugarquill's forums, there's a thread about Sirius, and whether he would have been in love or not. Also, [livejournal.com profile] story646 (please tell me I got the numbers right) posted about romance in general. So, I am posting my thoughts.

Ron and Hermione heard shouting as they huddled in the dormitory, shaking.

"Harry's fighting," Ron said.

Hermione nodded. She wanted to help, but it was his battle to fight.

Suddenly, her and Ron's lips met. They kissed, and found themselves kissing more, their kisses....

BACKSPACE!

Let's analyze what is wrong with this picture:

1. Hermione and Ron are hiding, letting Harry fight on his own.

2. They are making out while their best friend's life is in danger.

You might ask, what's wrong with hurt/comfort?

Well, here's the problem. They aren't just comforting one another - they are tongue to tongue, completely lost in the moment. Sorry, but I think they'd be too worried about Harry to really want to start a snog session.

This is why romance fics (as well as stories and even professionally published books) often turn out badly. The author fails to explore more than one type of love - and therefore, the lovers come out looking selfish.

Let's look at an actual literary work: Romeo & Juliet. My biggest problem was that none of them seem to have any regrets about what they are doing whatsoever. Juliet is perfectly willing to let her family believe she is dead so she can go off and be with a man she met at a party. Where is the fairness in that?

Love shouldn't work like that. Writers need to explore the fact that everyone loves different people - at the same time.  If that wasn't the case, what would happen to children? To close friends? To parents of the couple? Those people always remain loved.

I think the way to make sure everyone is loved equally in a fic is to look at how realistic a situation might be. Could Sirius truly have been in love  with someone during OoTP, perhaps someone who had moved away after his arrest, and that he was trying to track down - and still loved Harry that much? Absolutely. Lily loved Harry enough to die for him, but we can assume she was in love with James, too.

However, is it likely that if the woman (supposing Sirius lives in the fic, and finds her or vice versa) tried to distract him from Harry, it would go over will with Sirius? Not at all. The woman would have to not just know Sirius loved Harry as a son, but she'd have to care about him as well. Therefore, it would probably be an easier situation to write if the woman had some connection to Harry as well (friend of Lily's, etc), or if she was a very caring person. But it can still be done.

 Let's look at the trio next. I've been told that none of the trio could date without one of them being the "odd one out", but I disagree. I think the one not shipped might feel a little strange at first, but he or she would get used to it. I know a RL "trio" - my cousin, her boyfriend, and their best friend. When he's around, they all act as if they are all friends, and you never get any sense that one of them is loved less, or that any of them feel this could be the case. I think the two trio characters would be tactful enough to make sure this was the case as well. (Though if the ship was Ron/Harry, Hermione might have to say or do something first, as Ron and Harry do seem to get carried away with one another as friends).

My point, I guess, is that love can be written well without any parties being left out, or without the characters looking utterly selfish. It just takes willingness to work in other ambitions, values, and loved ones.

 

[identity profile] bisforbecky.livejournal.com 2005-04-10 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I know what you mean about characters kissing while people are in danger! I guess I could see a quick peck to steel themselves for heading into danger, but otherwise it just doesn't happen! But I think romance fics aren't usually bad because most authors see the truth about this. As for Romeo and Juliet, the message was supposed to be that romantic love conquers all, including death and I guess other kinds of love. It's what Shakespeare was saying, but I agree with you and disagree with him on the point of other kinds of love. I'd just say all kinds of love conquer everything else that isn't love. Yes.

[identity profile] story645.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
I agree the whole love in danger thing makes me want to hit them and remind them their friend needs them. Tip, check the link after entering it, if it doesn't exist, thenyou messed up the numbers. It's fine though, everyone messes up the numbers, that's why they annoy me.

[identity profile] the-bookdork.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
What gets me even more is that the R/Hr, H/Hr, H/R, etc. ignore the other one or the author leaves them completely out of the story. Or otherwise mutilate the poor "third-wheel"'s character.

What makes me think "hey, this one's special" in the romance fandom is that they don't just write about romance but about friendship too. When they include all the bonds of love inside a story, it just makes it feel so much more powerful and touching.

[identity profile] author-by-night.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
What makes me think "hey, this one's special" in the romance fandom is that they don't just write about romance but about friendship too.

YES - I love those. :)

[identity profile] in-the-blue.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
All the characters I've ever written, created, borrowed, or written about compel me to make this statement: love is easy; it's trust that's tricky.

If someone can write a romance that conveys the necessary lust-developing-into-trust accompanying it, bravo. Whether between HP characters or any characters: romance written for the sake of writing romance is boring. Give me something nice and intense behind it and I'll give it a look.

An aside: could Sirius have been in love with someone during OotP? Well, theoretically, sure. But he couldn't leave Grimmauld Place and only Dumbledore-approved people could visit there, so his choices appear to be mighty limited, don't they. And it's just my opinion, but he doesn't appear to have been happy enough to have been in love during the course of that book.

[identity profile] author-by-night.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't think it was likely he'd *fall* in love during OoTP - more that he'd have been in love before. I know he was unhappy, but he still loved Harry, so why not a SO? I do see your point though. I think if he was in love, it was someone very special. ;)

Oh, and you're right about the stuff you said above - it does also have to turn into a relationship gradually.